Maritime boundaries

[Wayne23lololh 1,645]

Hi,  I suggest adding maritime boundaries, to have other utilities than just to move. It could bring economic (ressource) bonus, and to prevent border gore. So when we click in a sea province, we will see their claimants. 

The possession of sea grants economic benefit in ressources like fish, coral, algae and soil could be taken, for modern time (1880’s), sea like monuments provides tourism, which some countries get rich by, so prestige bonus. Some strategic sea provinces could also bring extra bonuses for trade like straight.  

To prevent border gore, civilizations’ armies can’t go to sea provinces who don't “belong” to them. So Tunis can’t declare war on Venice, if other countries didn’t give Tunis access to the Sea to reach his opponent. 

If a country sent an army in a sea province who don't belong to them without autorisation, relations between them could deteriorate, or even be a cause for a war.  

A sea province could have several claimants for scenarios like 1444, in which many countries had access to the same sea province. Is it possible to remove claimants to X years by peace treaty, and maybe if a vassal could have access to the sea.

Could be modifiable and turned off.

Edited May 31, 2024 by Wayne23lololh

[ThatTest 47]

10 minutes ago, Wayne23lololh said:

Hi,  I suggest adding maritime boundaries, to have other utilities than just to move. It could bring economic (ressource) bonus, and to prevent border gore. So when we click in a sea province, we will see their claimants. 

The possession of sea grants economic benefit in ressources like fish, coral, algae and soil could be taken, for modern time (1880’s), sea like monuments provides tourism, which some countries get rich by, so prestige bonus. Some strategic sea provinces could also bring extra bonuses for trade like straight.  

To prevent border gore, civilizations’ armies can’t go to sea provinces who don't “belong” to them. So Tunis can’t declare war on Venice, if other countries didn’t give Tunis access to the Sea to reach his opponent. 

If a country sent an army in a sea province who don't belong to them without autorisation, relations between them could deteriorate, or even be a cause for a war.  

A sea province could have several claimants for scenarios like 1444, in which many countries had access to the same sea province. Is it possible to remove claimants to X years by peace treaty, and maybe if a vassal could have access to the sea.

Could be modifiable and turned off.

Now that's a brilliant idea, even cod wars can be implemented that way. It might be complicated, but I like the concept itself 👍

[Rodak Polak 597]

This will mean that countries without access to the ocean will not be able to create colonies as was the case in reality ❤️

[Wayne23lololh 1,645]

2 minutes ago, Rodak Polak said:

This will mean that countries without access to the ocean will not be able to create colonies as was the case in reality ❤️

Great ! No Colonial Switzerland Empire 🇨🇭

[ThatTest 47]

2 minutes ago, Wayne23lololh said:

Great ! No Colonial Switzerland Empire 🇨🇭

Nooooo, not the great colonial empire of Switzerland 😧

[thecarvalhogamer 27]

On 4/11/2024 at 1:33 PM, Wayne23lololh said:

Hi,  I suggest adding maritime boundaries, to have other utilities than just to move. It could bring economic (ressource) bonus, and to prevent border gore. So when we click in a sea province, we will see their claimants. 

The possession of sea grants economic benefit in ressources like fish, coral, algae and soil could be taken, for modern time (1880’s), sea like monuments provides tourism, which some countries get rich by, so prestige bonus. Some strategic sea provinces could also bring extra bonuses for trade like straight.  

To prevent border gore, civilizations’ armies can’t go to sea provinces who don't “belong” to them. So Tunis can’t declare war on Venice, if other countries didn’t give Tunis access to the Sea to reach his opponent. 

If a country sent an army in a sea province who don't belong to them without autorisation, relations between them could deteriorate, or even be a cause for a war.  

A sea province could have several claimants for scenarios like 1444, in which many countries had access to the same sea province. Is it possible to remove claimants to X years by peace treaty, and maybe if a vassal could have access to the sea.

Could be modifiable and turned off.

I loved the idea

[Wayne23lololh 1,645]

It could be a little difficult if each sea province would belong to one country, so to make it simpler, one sea province could belong to several countries, so there will no be a map mode to sow this. Some mods could add more sea provinces for this too, so it's not a big problem.

 

[Wayne23lololh 1,645]

Each country will control a bunch of sea, this would prevent countries' units from moving everywhere in the world, and would penalize landlocked countries in resources (fish, crabs, minerals), in colonization, in diplomacy. 

[Wayne23lololh 1,645]

There will also be neutral sea territory such as the Atlantic ocean and  the Pacific ocean, or any countries could pass, but could be a risk of accident, so that means conflits too.

[Денис Живков 753]

On 4/11/2024 at 8:59 PM, Rodak Polak said:

This will mean that countries without access to the ocean will not be able to create colonies as was the case in reality ❤️

But does this mean that Asian countries can also become colonial powers?

[Wayne23lololh 1,645]

Also, regions could have some usefulness, we can allow only civilization to adopt colonial laws located in these regions : Iberia, British Isles, France, Benelux, Germany... 

It could be edited, and we can also set the economy, wars probability (put 0% for Switzerland), etc...

[qxz 622]

4 hours ago, Wayne23lololh said:

Good question !

Since Łukasz himself said that there will be different tech tree, all civilizations located in Asia (capital), could not adopt colonial laws. This could be disabled, to make some alternate scenarios.

When did Lukasz say that? 

I do not think that is the case

[OwnM3Z0 1,102]

hm, but what will happen when in war? will those be transferred automatically or through points? 

[Iceman 295]

19 minutes ago, qxz said:

When did Lukasz say that? 

I do not think that is the case

Exactly, here's his post saying the opposite:

[qxz 622]

1 hour ago, Iceman said:

Exactly, here's his post saying the opposite:

Yeah thought so

[Wayne23lololh 1,645]

5 hours ago, qxz said:

Yeah thought so

I am sincerely sorry ! I didn't sea right. So te only option is the region thing.

You can remove the quote, I delete the previous comment (I don't want to spread misinformation 😓 )

Edited May 31, 2024 by Wayne23lololh

[Wayne23lololh 1,645]

8 hours ago, OwnM3Z0 said:

hm, but what will happen when in war? will those be transferred automatically or through points? 

There could be 2 options. The first one is to have access to one or several enemy's sea provinces, so sharing with it, and the second one is to exclude the enemy the access of his sea province. This could be automatic only the enemy becomes a landlocked country.

Example Bosnia lose it's coastline, Bosnia would automatically lose access to the sea by Croatia.

[OwnM3Z0 1,102]

8 minutes ago, Wayne23lololh said:

There could be 2 options. The first one is to have access to one or several enemy's sea provinces, so sharing with it, and the second one is to exclude the enemy the access of his sea province. This could be automatic only the enemy becomes a landlocked country.

Example Bosnia lose it's coastline, Bosnia would automatically lose access to the sea by Croatia.

i disagree, i think you shouldn't be able to landlock countries unless you have the point's to take their sea borders also to balance things, i also think that sea borders should be taken by points in peace treaties which would be interesting, BUT at the same time, if you win a decisive victory you don't have to spend points on maritime provinces, you just have to take the shore provinces or annex all the land

[Wayne23lololh 1,645]

You're right, but I mean that when a country becomes landlocked, logically, it can't have sea access. Maybe make sea provinces connected with coastal provinces ?

[OwnM3Z0 1,102]

30 minutes ago, Wayne23lololh said:

You're right, but I mean that when a country becomes landlocked, logically, it can't have sea access. Maybe make sea provinces connected with coastal provinces ?

that wouldn't make sense for the atlantic and pacific oceans + the entire purpose of this is to prevent colonial bordergore which would be removed since u won't have any shores when you start colonizing 

[Wayne23lololh 1,645]

5 hours ago, OwnM3Z0 said:

that wouldn't make sense for the atlantic and pacific oceans + the entire purpose of this is to prevent colonial bordergore which would be removed since u won't have any shores when you start colonizing 

First of all, I previously said that Atlantic and Pacific oceans would be neutral, so every country which possess a sea province in these sea can bypass it. 

Secondly, the purpose in not only to avoid colonial border gore, it's to make trade more realistic, when we pass trough another country sea province. Why would Russian ships trade with Germany, by pass to Nordic sea ? Russia must have Norway's permission, to travel ships. Norway will earn money from Russian and Germany. (or just Russia)

It will also bring a high risk for war, when a country violate without permission another country's sea territory. Turkey declare war on Egypt, it must have the permission of Greece or Cyprus to be able to pass by their area. 

And it will bring sea resources like crabs, fish and will work like land resource.

[Wayne23lololh 1,645]

I suppose that when some countries form an alliance, they will share its border (open border), and maybe share their maritime boundaries, so ships could travel freely between its members.

[Outlawexperience 338]

On 4/11/2024 at 5:33 PM, Wayne23lololh said:

Hi,  I suggest adding maritime boundaries, to have other utilities than just to move. It could bring economic (ressource) bonus, and to prevent border gore. So when we click in a sea province, we will see their claimants. 

The possession of sea grants economic benefit in ressources like fish, coral, algae and soil could be taken, for modern time (1880’s), sea like monuments provides tourism, which some countries get rich by, so prestige bonus. Some strategic sea provinces could also bring extra bonuses for trade like straight.  

To prevent border gore, civilizations’ armies can’t go to sea provinces who don't “belong” to them. So Tunis can’t declare war on Venice, if other countries didn’t give Tunis access to the Sea to reach his opponent. 

If a country sent an army in a sea province who don't belong to them without autorisation, relations between them could deteriorate, or even be a cause for a war.  

A sea province could have several claimants for scenarios like 1444, in which many countries had access to the same sea province. Is it possible to remove claimants to X years by peace treaty, and maybe if a vassal could have access to the sea.

Could be modifiable and turned off.

Interesting idea 👍 I think for it to be well implemented a lot more sea provinces need to be added 

[Wayne23lololh 1,645]

12 hours ago, Outlawexperience said:

Interesting idea 👍 I think for it to be well implemented a lot more sea provinces need to be added 

Yes, maybe in updates, for now, the idea is sea provinces could be shared.