(REUPLOAD) THE SAD STATE OF AGE OF HISTORY II

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Before I say everything else, I would like to preface it by saying I wish no hate on Lukasz, I just think there is so much he could have done to avoid coming to this point.

Age of History 2 is in a sad, sad state. Since the launch of the game in late 2018, the game has seen little to no updates in the past 4 years since it has come out.

There has never been a worse time for mods, either. Except for a select few, most mods are announced, and then fade into obscurity or are never released due to things involving the creator.

One example of this is Addon SC. For the past 2 years since it was announced, it was said that it would revolutionize the game. Everyone thought that it would save it, that it would bring it back to life, that it would basically be like AoH3 (More on that later.)

But yet, it never was. The release date was pushed back farther and farther, with the deadline being missed every time, until this point, where the release deadline specified as “Before 2022” has been missed, and paired with the creator’s inactivity on the forum for the past 1 and ½ months, it is almost certain that the mod is dead

During the time of Addon SC’s “Development” many other great mods came and went. Some notable examples are @Italian PeC’s Age of Imperialism, which came from the same creator as the similarly critically acclaimed The Second Great War mod. The mod is still in active development, but the update schedule has slowed down, with Italian PeC going silent for a little bit. The difference was that at the end of this silence, he didn’t just delay the release date again, he came out with a good update and has stated he intends to keep working on it.

Another example is @Kerems2434’s World+. The mod was supposed to be the successor to Project: Alpha, another Turkish community mod with a massive world map. The Turkish community was one of the biggest AoH2 communities for a long time, releasing many big and popular mods such as Conquerors, which seemed to die without explanation in early 2021. Unfortunately, the mod just never was completed for an unspecified reason. The Turkish community has largely left the game, and has moved on to other things, with even Kerems2434 seeming to cease development of mods.

The last example is 11:59. This was the first big mod released for the game and while basic compared to the AoH2 mods of today, it pioneered many elements that would go on to be used to great success in later mods. Unfortunately, the creator, like so many others, realized that AoH2 could not be used to fulfill the true potential of the mod. So, he moved on to another game (A version of Paradox’s unreleased East vs West: A Hearts of Iron game, if anyone is curious.) And when that didn’t work out, development on any form of the mod ceased. There have been attempts at reviving it, but none have ever worked out.

I have come up with a few reasons why mods seem to either die out or just go unfinished.

The first one is the constant harassment of mod developers for download links and release dates. I don’t think any mod developer has not experienced this. Asking for the download link when the mod isn’t even released yet, getting mad when the mod is taking too long, and stuff like that. Why should we develop mods for people who don’t know how difficult and time consuming it is to make a mod for this game, and are constantly asking for release dates and whining when a release date isn’t given. It's a different story when the mod creator just leaves the community with no notice whatsoever and doesn’t tell anyone that the mod is canceled. I feel that anger is justified when this happens, but harassment of the owner is not, just like it is not in anything involving the community.

The next one is oversaturation of the mod community. So many mods are just announced, and then abandoned overnight, as the creator moves on to another mod only to do the same thing when it does not get any attention. This makes the gems in the community harder to find, and the moving on from one mod to the next very frequently could be a direct result of the reasons why mods don’t get released. I also think many just feel as if their mod won’t get any attention due to the large amount of mods already on the forums, and just don’t bother making their mod ideas into reality.

The last reason is the game itself. It is buggy. It has a lack of features beyond the base game editor. It needs more. It has been abandoned by the developer, so there is no chance of him just coming back and saving the game. There are a blessed few mod creators with the ability to code great new features into the game, such as @Mega4oSS’s Nuclear Age, and @HUSKYFRESKO’s World Crisis, both of which make groundbreaking additions to the game But alas, these advanced mods are few and far between. (More on this later)

So, why don’t we just wait for AoH3?

Because it is never coming out.

Age of History 3 was announced 2 ½ years ago as a way to respond to a thread asking where AoH3 was (The thread was closed soon after.) My theory is that either no work has been done on the game, or it is progressing painfully slow. If it was in active development, why haven’t we heard anything about it since the initial 1 sentence announcement of it. Even a second thread like that in September failed to yield any results. It is time to accept that Age of History 3 is never coming out. If you’re looking for a game to fill the gap for modding, you can either go the more complicated route of modding for HoI4, or wait for Grey Eminence, (Truly psyched for it, big thanks to @Chairman Baad for making us all aware of it) which is the only game coming out that could truly fill the gap of Age of History 3, but even then there will be a huge experience gap, with Grey Eminence needing much more manual coding to mod it. The point is, AoH2 is not getting any more updates, and AoH3 is never coming out.

So, what can be done to save it?

I think mod developers need more cooperation between each other. With the way AoH2 is set up, it makes it impossible to collaboratively make events, which form the backbone of many mods, but there are elements of mods that can be collaboratively developed, like UI, and civilizations. But I think that we all need to work with each other more to find ways to help other people bring their mod ideas to life. We need to make tutorials on how to code in advanced features, how to polish your mod and make it look nice, and things like that. Giving this knowledge to everyone will once again bring truly great mods back to the forum, and revitalize the modding scene, which has been in the midst of a slow, agonizing decline for years now.

We should also stop relying on the forums to serve as our only source of communication between the entire community. It has become unreliable with its large number of Chinese spambots and hundreds of pages worth of dead mods. That is why I have created a Discord server for the entire Age of History community to use. (As of January 5th, 2022, the link will go up in the time from 4-6 PM, Eastern Standard Time.) I feel that increasing communication between every corner of the AoH community will bring attention to many new mods, and increase the quality through the power of help and cooperation.

Those are my thoughts on the state of the mod community. Constructive criticism would be good, and I would like to know what you all think of the points I made, and various other things mentioned in her.

Edited October 13, 2023 by BackToTheBrickStudios

[BackToTheBrickStudios 195]

Some things:

I am unbanned

There is a new AoH2 discord
 

And I reuploaded this because Lukasz deleted it.

[Noobs Dudes 180]

The fact that this was deleted speaks volumes lol

[uwut 1,434]

aoh3 is here:

i feel sad a bit after talking about world crisis and nuclear age but isnt about uwut engine, it released after death of aoh2 to save it 

 

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2 hours ago, Noobs Dudes said:

The fact that this was deleted speaks volumes lol

Agreed

[BackToTheBrickStudios 195]

Not what I expected to see

[8gor 10]

This game like many others is heavily relying on mods. Whatever aoc3 adds, would've probably been added by mods.

Using discord is a great way (even though I can't have it :/), but many new players look onto the forums, because it is the first thing that shows up when you search up the game. If we want to have new players in the community, we have to make the discord visible and easily availble for everyone.

Also it's funny how Łukasz deleted this post, and now liked it. Lol

[KaiserKazali 12]

I'm interested in joining the discord server for the community, mentioned above. 

Is there an invite to it anywhere? 

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19 hours ago, KaiserKazali said:

I'm interested in joining the discord server for the community, mentioned above. 

Is there an invite to it anywhere? 

https://discord.gg/DCATgCrbad

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New essay on the state of the game coming out exactly a year after the original essay, so it will be out on January 4th, 2024, and will cover most of the major events in the AoH2 community throughout all of 2023, including the hiatus of Grey Eminence, the mod plagiarism debate, and the return of Lukasz.

[Kerguelen Mapping 457]

On 10/11/2023 at 12:34 AM, uwut said:

aoh3 is here:

i feel sad a bit after talking about world crisis and nuclear age but isnt about uwut engine, it released after death of aoh2 to save it 

 

www.ageofcivilizationsgame.com/topic/235225-age-of-history-3/#comments

[Chairman Baad 1,971]

On 10/10/2023 at 7:35 AM, BackToTheBrickStudios said:

So, why don’t we just wait for AoH3?

Because it is never coming out.

AGED LIKE MILK (Vine boom)

[Geo 0]

On 10/10/2023 at 5:35 PM, BackToTheBrickStudios said:

So, why don’t we just wait for AoH3?

Because it is never coming out.

Are you sure about that?

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20 hours ago, Chairman Baad said:

AGED LIKE MILK (Vine boom)

So glad that it aged like milk. 2023 has defied my expectations and has been the best year for the community since 2019.