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[Emir of Granada 821]

Well, depsite that this scenario is very well made, many changes should occur:

- A change in the spanish civil war, even you conquer all the lands of the other spain you still cannot annex it fully, which is very unrealistic, imagine after that Franco defeated the republicans, in the peace deal regave them Madrid after the peace deal, this is maken worse when you don't play as spain and the ai decide the borders wachy like shown in the first photo, just imagine two spains coexisting with other, well I have done the timelapse and never seek reunification, until US brought them freedom. The Kingdom of Spain really conqured all Spain, but  suddenly after the peace deal they recame from nothing, wihout talking about the wacky borders, Catalonian-Spain randomly possessing a bit of land near portugal, the north spain having a disconnected Valencia.

-Well I propose that you add a capitulation system for most countries after the loss of their capital, also taking Bloody europe mechanics will certainely improve the game.

-Add nukes, well as a event, or as mechanic.

- Fix alliance system, alliance should be democratic, instead I see when one country suddenly doesn't like me, they can kick a country from an alliance while keeping allied with others, the others who I spent years befriending them are suddenly my worse enemies, just because one country. Thus removing someone from an alliance should be proposed not forced by one.

-Also making a trade request to invite others is now a well known common way to an ease victory:

Baby steps to destroy soviet union:

-ask mongolia and xingiang to declare war on Soviet, they NEVER EVER  refuse this deal while you are in war against The Soviets, those minor countries will swifetly conquer all of Siberia and cut Soviet land on half, inviting Iran to the party is also a good thing since I see them once conquering of South Russia, eventually arriving and solidifying control around Vladivistok, Finland and Sweden easily conquer Moscow, and Turkey easily conquer Crimea, Even Estonia sometimes manages to annex all the Soviet Union creating a massive Estonian Empire.

Well I will send cursed photos to everyone to understand.

Well to fix this, I propose two thing either make Soviet Ai more efficient, it is very unrealistic that a tiny Tannu Tuva manage to cut Soviet Union in half, a thing that always happen

 or make countries less likely to accept a invitation to war.

-Also when rebellions occur they often change to countries that countries that have no cultural reason, and also if the rebels are rebelling against an occupier they should be an option of rejoining the home country, for example I playef Poland, by a bug, depsite carving up Germany wirh my allies, Germany who still control just a tiny bits of land, still demanded Poznan, and when  I refused I suddenly got a message that Poland has fallen, and then Germany reappered carving my land with Soviet Union, well luckily I survived in my Pomerania that I conquered earlier then a rebellion occured  but instead of rejoining motherland or proclaiming a poland but with a other different regimes they proclaimed a weird polish name, which I found later to be a kingdom of the Middle Ages, then I seek reunion with they refused I conqured all their land swiftly and rapidly but still can't annex them. 

-Finally leaders must really be reworked, Whenever a Belarus pop out by a rebellion or something I find Lukhasenko ruling it and after the death of Franklin Roosevelt in 1945, Donald Trump became president.

-Also unless a player decide it, or a country decide to invade, Swiss should be neutral having neutral friendly relations with everyone but instead I find it often hating some countries for absolutrly no reason at all, and all always accept declaring war on France and Italy if requested.

Finally sorry for this long message, it is a result of hours of Playing TSGW and they may be some spelling mistakes, remember english is noy my native language

[Emir of Granada 821]

Well two pics aren't exactly from TGSW but if you understand the idea the concept is the same, even if Manchuoko isn't a japanese puppet it is still can conquer Siberia? I was just testing the limits of trade request/declare war I found out that even I f a civ had a really bad relation with you, you still can make them make war, the only case if not is when there is a truce the civ still accepts your trade deal but can't wage war

[Emir of Granada 821]

-Yes,add the option of oppose Hitler and revive the Kaiserreich.

-Add more decisions, Czechoslovakia can declare Zapadoslava, Slav Empire.

-Every country that managed to seize most of Europe should be capable of declaring European Union.

-After the defeat if Germany, taking in consideration the balance of power, Germany could be divided by two(Austria-Hungary-Bavaria and North Germany), three(France gets nothing), four (OTL), many states like before Bismarck.

-Add the option of Trostky taking over Mexico or doing an return to Soviet Union.

- US becaming fascist 

-If Germany is in war it won't be an event forcing us  to send an ultimatum risking two fronts war.

-If Germany manages to ally with the Dutch why when the WWII start they magicly declare war on Germany

-Justfying war, adding motive, doing war propaganda...

-If germany loses the war it would be fun seeing a Hiler like person president of it as an easter egg like hoi4.

[Emir of Granada 821]

-Improving your army by acquiring new technologies like artillery and ....

should increase your movements points.

[CevicheMen 7]

Could you add sub-ideologies for communism?, such as having separate ideologies for Stalinism, Trotskyism or differentiating between classical Marxism and Marxism-Leninism

[Emir of Granada 821]

I wish just that you could start as rebelling nation, like play as Ukraine revolting against Soviet Union for example.

-In the German invasion, there was a proposal of French-British Union it would be nice if you add it as a probable event

[Honex 64]

On 6/19/2023 at 3:19 PM, Wooodex said:

You heard that right, TSGW is getting updated.

This mod is focused on the Second World War, with even more events then before!
From 331 events in the 1.1 version to over 700 in this 1.2 version.
Brought to you by @Italian PeC, me and @3dddies.

This update was first meant to aim at historical events, but with help of Eddie I am able to add 10+ non-historical paths as well.

I will post mod updates here but you will get to see progress quicker in our discord server:
https://discord.gg/fDzHXfGnJC

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From Italy putting the Pope in charge, America digging up George Washington, Latvia getting couped by the White Army, Monaco couped by Pirates and much more you can have a lot of fun in the next update, with a lot of possibilities.

Ai is set to mostly prefer going the historical route but here and then you can see the Ai choose non-historical events.

Ideologies have also been buffed, most notably Socialism and National Socialism.

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What we have finished so far

A lot of bug fixes have been made as well, from Italy not capitulating to border gore ( Which is mostly fixed )

Balancing changes have been made for France, Germany and Italy. France and Germany got a slight buff while Italy was nerfed, so now Italy can possibly lose against Abyssinia.

New mechanic of requesting help from other nations ( via resources ) has been added which can greatly change the outcome of the Spanish, American or any other civil war in the future.

Leaders now have descriptions and some have been buffed, multiple leaders have been added for historical reasons.

Currently there are about 300 events finished, we work on finishing this as soon as possibly, preferably by the end of the summer. There are about 200 events left to be added and a few more bug fixes.

We also added new Terrain buffs and debuffs to make it more strategically oriented, with that we also fixed some terrain positions to be more accurate ( like mountains in the Balkans )

This is the new terrain map

There is more that I have currently decided to keep a secret, so you can experience them for yourself when the update comes out.

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What to expect

Events will have support for multiple languages, while currently only English in the future Russian, Serbo-Croat and a few more can be expected.

Events lasting till 1950 and beyond.

After ww2 is done and the allies win, now you will keep most of the territory you conquered if you were on the allied side. ( For example if you won against the Soviets and Germans as Poland, previously you would lose your land, but now you should keep most of it ).

Events for most of the countries in the scenario.

More mechanics added along the way.

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v.1.0.0 - Soon | 500 new events and new mechanics

 

Android support will not be available immediately, but will be something we will focus on after every update

 

All ideas and recommendations will be heard out, you can recommend them in the Discord server or here.

 *331 New Events 

 

[Wooodex 146]

8 hours ago, Honex said:

 *331 New Events 

 

No, there were 331 events in 1.1, I will add around 500 more.

[Emir of Granada 821]

What about my suggestions, could they be implrmented?

[Wooodex 146]

13 hours ago, Emir of Granada said:

Well, depsite that this scenario is very well made, many changes should occur:

- A change in the spanish civil war, even you conquer all the lands of the other spain you still cannot annex it fully, which is very unrealistic, imagine after that Franco defeated the republicans, in the peace deal regave them Madrid after the peace deal, this is maken worse when you don't play as spain and the ai decide the borders wachy like shown in the first photo, just imagine two spains coexisting with other, well I have done the timelapse and never seek reunification, until US brought them freedom. The Kingdom of Spain really conqured all Spain, but  suddenly after the peace deal they recame from nothing, wihout talking about the wacky borders, Catalonian-Spain randomly possessing a bit of land near portugal, the north spain having a disconnected Valencia.

-Well I propose that you add a capitulation system for most countries after the loss of their capital, also taking Bloody europe mechanics will certainely improve the game.

-Add nukes, well as a event, or as mechanic.

- Fix alliance system, alliance should be democratic, instead I see when one country suddenly doesn't like me, they can kick a country from an alliance while keeping allied with others, the others who I spent years befriending them are suddenly my worse enemies, just because one country. Thus removing someone from an alliance should be proposed not forced by one.

-Also making a trade request to invite others is now a well known common way to an ease victory:

Baby steps to destroy soviet union:

-ask mongolia and xingiang to declare war on Soviet, they NEVER EVER  refuse this deal while you are in war against The Soviets, those minor countries will swifetly conquer all of Siberia and cut Soviet land on half, inviting Iran to the party is also a good thing since I see them once conquering of South Russia, eventually arriving and solidifying control around Vladivistok, Finland and Sweden easily conquer Moscow, and Turkey easily conquer Crimea, Even Estonia sometimes manages to annex all the Soviet Union creating a massive Estonian Empire.

Well I will send cursed photos to everyone to understand.

Well to fix this, I propose two thing either make Soviet Ai more efficient, it is very unrealistic that a tiny Tannu Tuva manage to cut Soviet Union in half, a thing that always happen

 or make countries less likely to accept a invitation to war.

-Also when rebellions occur they often change to countries that countries that have no cultural reason, and also if the rebels are rebelling against an occupier they should be an option of rejoining the home country, for example I playef Poland, by a bug, depsite carving up Germany wirh my allies, Germany who still control just a tiny bits of land, still demanded Poznan, and when  I refused I suddenly got a message that Poland has fallen, and then Germany reappered carving my land with Soviet Union, well luckily I survived in my Pomerania that I conquered earlier then a rebellion occured  but instead of rejoining motherland or proclaiming a poland but with a other different regimes they proclaimed a weird polish name, which I found later to be a kingdom of the Middle Ages, then I seek reunion with they refused I conqured all their land swiftly and rapidly but still can't annex them. 

-Finally leaders must really be reworked, Whenever a Belarus pop out by a rebellion or something I find Lukhasenko ruling it and after the death of Franklin Roosevelt in 1945, Donald Trump became president.

-Also unless a player decide it, or a country decide to invade, Swiss should be neutral having neutral friendly relations with everyone but instead I find it often hating some countries for absolutrly no reason at all, and all always accept declaring war on France and Italy if requested.

Finally sorry for this long message, it is a result of hours of Playing TSGW and they may be some spelling mistakes, remember english is noy my native language

Spanish civil war has been fixed, I removed the monarchist rise up and replaced them with Anarchists, capitulation system has been added to many nations to avoid border gore as much as possible.

Nukes would make no sense whatsoever, only real nation close to finishing it was America and they have the choice to nuke Japan.

Nations can leave alliances via events, I am pretty sure that Ai cant kick anyone out of their alliance since Terrk made it impossible for Ai to do so.

I do not have permission to change any code, if you see it too easy to win with using the trade feature then just do not use the trade feature

I cant do anything about rebelions that have no cultural value, that cant be modified.

Soviet Ai is not made to fight nations that attack them without events, the Soviet Ai can fight back if the declaration against them is dont via events.

Leaders are being reworked

I cannot force Switzerland to be fully neutral, they will randomly sent insults to other nations and I cant do anything about it and like stated before, do not trade with nations if you find it too easy

[Wooodex 146]

12 hours ago, Emir of Granada said:

-Yes,add the option of oppose Hitler and revive the Kaiserreich.

-Add more decisions, Czechoslovakia can declare Zapadoslava, Slav Empire.

-Every country that managed to seize most of Europe should be capable of declaring European Union.

-After the defeat if Germany, taking in consideration the balance of power, Germany could be divided by two(Austria-Hungary-Bavaria and North Germany), three(France gets nothing), four (OTL), many states like before Bismarck.

-Add the option of Trostky taking over Mexico or doing an return to Soviet Union.

- US becaming fascist 

-If Germany is in war it won't be an event forcing us  to send an ultimatum risking two fronts war.

-If Germany manages to ally with the Dutch why when the WWII start they magicly declare war on Germany

-Justfying war, adding motive, doing war propaganda...

-If germany loses the war it would be fun seeing a Hiler like person president of it as an easter egg like hoi4.

Opposing Hitler is planned
Czechoslovakia tree is planned
European Union might be possible
The final map of the world will be different every time, if Poland won against Germany they would get their modern borders plus Sorbia
I am looking to keep hoi4 features at a minimum, please be creative with your ideas. No Trotsky in Mexico but he will be able to stage a civil war in the Soviet Union
America will have new events in the upcoming updates
World War 2 needs to happen somehow, I gave enough buffs to Hitler so you should be able to fight a two front war, either way you also have Italy in your alliance so they can distract France as well
Germany cant ally with the Dutch anymore if they could before
Motive = Germany reuniting Germans, Justification = Germany attacked without Justification

[Wooodex 146]

12 hours ago, Emir of Granada said:

I wish just that you could start as rebelling nation, like play as Ukraine revolting against Soviet Union for example.

-In the German invasion, there was a proposal of French-British Union it would be nice if you add it as a probable event

You can play as a revolting nation, Sweden Brazil and Spain had that feature in the 1.1 version and alot more in the next versions

No French British union would be too long to fix all the bugs coming with it

[Wooodex 146]

12 hours ago, CevicheMen said:

Could you add sub-ideologies for communism?, such as having separate ideologies for Stalinism, Trotskyism or differentiating between classical Marxism and Marxism-Leninism

I wish I could but they mess up the events

[Emir of Granada 821]

Well thank you for your comprehensive response:

-It is very good news that Spanish Civil war, leaders and a capitulation system are taken into consideration

-Well when I talked about nukes,because you say that the scenario would be until 1950, so Germany could hupothetically developp it

-Well while the motive are clear as you say, it would be nice adding a war propaganda mechanic and even a support of war pourcentage

- Why aren't you autorised to modify the code? Isn't this a part of modding after all? Also if you can't do that I think you could still use Bloody Europe Mechanics

- Well Soviet Union still need buffs somehow to defend itself also from random invasions.

-Of course, I know you could simply not use the trade request, it would be better to make it more realistic, and many users use it nonetheless.

[Emir of Granada 821]

Sorry I didn"t understand what you mean by:

"Germany cant ally with the Dutch anymore if they could before"????

 I say you that literally I allied with the Dutch pre-WW2 and then when the event of WW2 started, they declared war on me and I was expulsed from the alliance, the rest of the alliance stayed intact, so The dutch stayed allied to the Italy so Italy declared war as well on me.

 

Also Soviet Union need to be buffed, and your response show that you didn't understood, SU AI is completely incapable of fighting two fronts war or multiple ally front, and it is very propable just germany will ally more closely with Japan then automaticaly they will enter the war.

 

[Wooodex 146]

On 6/24/2023 at 12:40 PM, Emir of Granada said:

Well thank you for your comprehensive response:

-It is very good news that Spanish Civil war, leaders and a capitulation system are taken into consideration

-Well when I talked about nukes,because you say that the scenario would be until 1950, so Germany could hupothetically developp it

-Well while the motive are clear as you say, it would be nice adding a war propaganda mechanic and even a support of war pourcentage

- Why aren't you autorised to modify the code? Isn't this a part of modding after all? Also if you can't do that I think you could still use Bloody Europe Mechanics

- Well Soviet Union still need buffs somehow to defend itself also from random invasions.

-Of course, I know you could simply not use the trade request, it would be better to make it more realistic, and many users use it nonetheless.

Editing code can break the game, there is no reason to modify it at the moment

[Wooodex 146]

16 hours ago, Emir of Granada said:

Sorry I didn"t understand what you mean by:

"Germany cant ally with the Dutch anymore if they could before"????

 I say you that literally I allied with the Dutch pre-WW2 and then when the event of WW2 started, they declared war on me and I was expulsed from the alliance, the rest of the alliance stayed intact, so The dutch stayed allied to the Italy so Italy declared war as well on me.

 

Also Soviet Union need to be buffed, and your response show that you didn't understood, SU AI is completely incapable of fighting two fronts war or multiple ally front, and it is very propable just germany will ally more closely with Japan then automaticaly they will enter the war.

 

Correct me if I am wrong but Germany could never make an alliance with the Dutch, I never came across that event, unless you made an alliance with them without events which is not recommended. I did fully understand what you said, if you could ally with the Dutch via events in the past that cannot happen anymore.

I made sure that the Soviet Union does not fight a two front war with Germany and Japan, when Japan joins a war against the Soviet Union they immediately get kicked out unless the player plays as Japan. And even then Japan can only expand to Primarie, half of Amur and half of Jaberovsk before getting a white peace with the Soviet Union and getting their cores in those lands.

[Emir of Granada 821]

I actually allied with the Dutch without events.

[Wooodex 146]

6 minutes ago, Emir of Granada said:

I actually allied with the Dutch without events.

That means I cant do anything about it. The game does not expect you to be allied with them

[Emir of Granada 821]

8 minutes ago, Emir of Granada said:

I actually allied with the Dutch without events.

An alliance with isn't a Spanish inquisition to not be expected, I am against the idea that Dutch and Belgium declare war on Germany on the begginning of WW2 for two reasons:

-Historically they didn't they get invaded by germany to move around Maginot but if you ally with the Dutch, normally you wouldn't have to invade it as Germany.

-So as solution, add a specific event about Benelux fate:

if they are an alliance, add an event passing by Dutch and invading Belgium

-if they aren't they are two options:

-Ask for military acsess,

-Invade them

 

32 minutes ago, Wooodex said:

No body expected the Dutch-German Alliance

[Emir of Granada 821]

Also if Poland accepted giving its corridor, how would WW2 start, 

France and Britain declaring war, for the sake of war?

[Emir of Granada 821]

1 minute ago, Emir of Granada said:

An alliance with isn't a Spanish inquisition to not be expected, I am against the idea that Dutch and Belgium declare war on Germany on the begginning of WW2 for two reasons:

-Historically they didn't they get invaded by germany to move around Maginot but if you ally with the Dutch, normally you wouldn't have to invade it as Germany.

-So as solution, add a specific event about Benelux fate:

if they are an alliance, add an event passing by Dutch and invading Belgium

-if they aren't they are two options:

-Ask for military acsess,

-Invade them

 

As I clarified here, you can SOMETHING ABOUT THIS NOT ANYTHING.

[Wooodex 146]

5 minutes ago, Emir of Granada said:

Also if Poland accepted giving its corridor, how would WW2 start, 

France and Britain declaring war, for the sake of war?

No, if Poland accepts the demands WW2 can start around 1940 when Italy invades Greece.

[Emir of Granada 821]

3 minutes ago, Wooodex said:

No, if Poland accepts the demands WW2 can start around 1940 when Italy invades Greece.

 That's good !

[Emir of Granada 821]

So what you think about my suggestion here?

Could it be implemented

of course I don't know but

I added No body can expect the Spanish Inquisition as a joke...