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7 minutes ago, Wayne23lololh said:

They can be grouped too, so assimilation for nationality which are in the same groups as yours, will be reduced, or even be useless. Example : Germany has annexed Luxembourg , since Germans and Luxembourgians are in the same sub-ethnicity, we can have the choice to not build a core, without even having penalties.

I have made a topic about groups so here's the groups (I dont put all minorities) :

Template : ( For Prussia )

Germanic : Ethnic group ; -10% core construction cost

South Germanic : sub-ethnicity ; -50% core construction cost

  • Luxembourgian : nationality ; 

If there is the same nationality :

  • German : (same as Prussia) no core construction needed

 

Germanic 

North Germanic

  • Icelandic
  • Norwegian
  • Swedish
  • Danish

West Germanic

  • English
  • German
  • Dutch
  • Frisian
  • Luxemburgish

Romance

Western Romance

  • French
  • Occitan
  • Catalan
  • Portuguese
  • Galician
  • Spanish

Central Romance

  • Italian
  • Sardinian
  • (Latin)

Eastern Romance

  • Romanian
  • Aromanian

Slavic

West Slavic

  • Polish, Silesian
  • Sorbian
  • Slovak
  • Czech

East Slavic

  • Russian
  • Belarusian
  • Ukrainian, Rushyn

South Slavic

  • Slovenian
  • Croatian
  • Bosnian
  • Serbian, Montenegrin
  • Bulgarian
  • Macedonian

Albanian :

  • Albanian

Hellenic 

  • Greek

Armenian

  • Armenian

Uralic

Finnic

  • Finnish
  • Karelian
  • Estonian

Hungarian

  • Hungarian

Celtic

  • Scottish
  • Irish
  • Welsh
  • Breton

Baltic

  • Latvian, Latgallian
  • Lithuanian

Turkic

Oghuz

  • Turkish
  • Azerbaijan
  • Turkmen
  • Uyghur

Kipchak

  • Tatar
  • Nogai
  • Kazakh
  • Kyrgyz
  • Karakalpak
  • Bashkir

Iranian

  • Ossetian
  • Kurdish
  • Tadjik
  • Persian
  • Dari
  • Balochian
  • Pashto

Sino-Tibetan

Chinese

  • Han Chinese
  • Hui Chinese
  • Miao-Yao
  • Tai

Tibeto-Burmese

  • Tibetan
  • Bamar
  • Karen
  • Shan
  • Chen

Korean

  • Korean

Japanese

  • Japanese

Indo-Aryan

  • Hindi
  • Marathi
  • Konkani
  • Sinhala
  • Bangali
  • Bilhari
  • Rajasthani
  • Gujarati
  • Bhili
  • Punjabi
  • Sindhi
  • Nepali
  • Pahari

Dravidian

  • Telugu
  • Gondi
  • Kannada
  • Tamil
  • Malayalam
  • Brahui
  • Oriya
  • Asamiya

Autroasiatic

  • Mudari
  • Khmuic
  • Vietic
  • Bahnaric
  • Aslian

Tai

  • Northern Tai
  • Central Tai
  • South-Western Tai (Phu Thai)

Austronesian

  • Formosan
  • Sulu-Philipines
  • Bornean
  • Malagaso-Mentawaian
  • Malayo-Sumbawan
  • Sulavesi-Polinesian
  • Micronesian
  • Fijian-Polinesian

Melanesian

  • Oceano-Lapitan
  • Papuan
  • Aboriginal

Non or semi Natives 

  • African-American
  • Hispanic
  • Latin-American
  • Mestizos
  • Pardos

Native American

North America

  • Apache
  • Sioux
  • Creek
  • Iroquois
  • Eskimo

Latin and South America 

  • Aztec
  • Maya
  • Inca
  • Arawak
  • Caribe
  • Macro-Jê
  • Puelche-Het

Afroasiatic

Semitic

  • Amhara
  • Arabs
  • Tigré
  • Syriac
  • Hebrew
  • Mehri

Berbers

  • Tamazight
  • Tuareg
  • Kabyle
  • Tarift

Chusitic

  • Somali
  • Oromo
  • Afar
  • Beja

Chadic

  • Hausa

Nilo-Saharian

Niger-Congo

  • Wolof, Zula
  • Mande
  • Gur
  • Kwa
  • Adawama-Ubangi
  • Fula
  • Kru
  • Ijoid
  • Kordofanian
  • Dogon
  • Bantoid
  • Bantu

Khoisan

  • Khoisan

I want to conquere world and force all world to speak Khoisan languages.

Edited by Naval

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2 hours ago, Wayne23lololh said:

They can be grouped too, so assimilation for nationality which are in the same groups as yours, will be reduced, or even be useless. Example : Germany has annexed Luxembourg , since Germans and Luxembourgians are in the same sub-ethnicity, we can have the choice to not build a core, without even having penalties.

I have made a topic about groups so here's the groups (I dont put all minorities) :

Template : ( For Prussia )

Germanic : Ethnic group ; -10% core construction cost

South Germanic : sub-ethnicity ; -50% core construction cost

  • Luxembourgian : nationality ; 

If there is the same nationality :

  • German : (same as Prussia) no core construction needed

 

Germanic 

North Germanic

  • Icelandic
  • Norwegian
  • Swedish
  • Danish

West Germanic

  • English
  • German
  • Dutch
  • Frisian
  • Luxemburgish

Romance

Western Romance

  • French
  • Occitan
  • Catalan
  • Portuguese
  • Galician
  • Spanish

Central Romance

  • Italian
  • Sardinian
  • (Latin)

Eastern Romance

  • Romanian
  • Aromanian

Slavic

West Slavic

  • Polish, Silesian
  • Sorbian
  • Slovak
  • Czech

East Slavic

  • Russian
  • Belarusian
  • Ukrainian, Rushyn

South Slavic

  • Slovenian
  • Croatian
  • Bosnian
  • Serbian, Montenegrin
  • Bulgarian
  • Macedonian

Albanian :

  • Albanian

Hellenic 

  • Greek

Armenian

  • Armenian

Uralic

Finnic

  • Finnish
  • Karelian
  • Estonian

Hungarian

  • Hungarian

Celtic

  • Scottish
  • Irish
  • Welsh
  • Breton

Baltic

  • Latvian, Latgallian
  • Lithuanian

Turkic

Oghuz

  • Turkish
  • Azerbaijan
  • Turkmen
  • Uyghur

Kipchak

  • Tatar
  • Nogai
  • Kazakh
  • Kyrgyz
  • Karakalpak
  • Bashkir

Iranian

  • Ossetian
  • Kurdish
  • Tadjik
  • Persian
  • Dari
  • Balochian
  • Pashto

Sino-Tibetan

Chinese

  • Han Chinese
  • Hui Chinese
  • Miao-Yao
  • Tai

Tibeto-Burmese

  • Tibetan
  • Bamar
  • Karen
  • Shan
  • Chen

Korean

  • Korean

Japanese

  • Japanese

Indo-Aryan

  • Hindi
  • Marathi
  • Konkani
  • Sinhala
  • Bangali
  • Bilhari
  • Rajasthani
  • Gujarati
  • Bhili
  • Punjabi
  • Sindhi
  • Nepali
  • Pahari

Dravidian

  • Telugu
  • Gondi
  • Kannada
  • Tamil
  • Malayalam
  • Brahui
  • Oriya
  • Asamiya

Autroasiatic

  • Mudari
  • Khmuic
  • Vietic
  • Bahnaric
  • Aslian

Tai

  • Northern Tai
  • Central Tai
  • South-Western Tai (Phu Thai)

Austronesian

  • Formosan
  • Sulu-Philipines
  • Bornean
  • Malagaso-Mentawaian
  • Malayo-Sumbawan
  • Sulavesi-Polinesian
  • Micronesian
  • Fijian-Polinesian

Melanesian

  • Oceano-Lapitan
  • Papuan
  • Aboriginal

Non or semi Natives 

  • African-American
  • Hispanic
  • Latin-American
  • Mestizos
  • Pardos

Native American

North America

  • Apache
  • Sioux
  • Creek
  • Iroquois
  • Eskimo

Latin and South America 

  • Aztec
  • Maya
  • Inca
  • Arawak
  • Caribe
  • Macro-Jê
  • Puelche-Het

Afroasiatic

Semitic

  • Amhara
  • Arabs
  • Tigré
  • Syriac
  • Hebrew
  • Mehri

Berbers

  • Tamazight
  • Tuareg
  • Kabyle
  • Tarift

Chusitic

  • Somali
  • Oromo
  • Afar
  • Beja

Chadic

  • Hausa

Nilo-Saharian

Niger-Congo

  • Wolof, Zula
  • Mande
  • Gur
  • Kwa
  • Adawama-Ubangi
  • Fula
  • Kru
  • Ijoid
  • Kordofanian
  • Dogon
  • Bantu

Khoisan

  • Khoisan

Damn thats a nice elaboration to what i was trying to say, you nailed it!

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23 hours ago, Wayne23lololh said:

They can be grouped too, so assimilation for nationality which are in the same groups as yours, will be reduced, or even be useless. Example : Germany has annexed Luxembourg , since Germans and Luxembourgians are in the same sub-ethnicity, we can have the choice to not build a core, without even having penalties.

I have made a topic about groups so here's the groups (I dont put all minorities) :

Template : ( For Prussia )

Germanic : Ethnic group ; -10% core construction cost

South Germanic : sub-ethnicity ; -50% core construction cost

  • Luxembourgian : nationality ; 

If there is the same nationality :

  • German : (same as Prussia) no core construction needed

 

Germanic 

North Germanic

  • Icelandic
  • Norwegian
  • Swedish
  • Danish

West Germanic

  • English
  • German
  • Dutch
  • Frisian
  • Luxemburgish

Romance

Western Romance

  • French
  • Occitan
  • Catalan
  • Portuguese
  • Galician
  • Spanish

Central Romance

  • Italian
  • Sardinian
  • (Latin)

Eastern Romance

  • Romanian
  • Aromanian

Slavic

West Slavic

  • Polish, Silesian
  • Sorbian
  • Slovak
  • Czech

East Slavic

  • Russian
  • Belarusian
  • Ukrainian, Rushyn

South Slavic

  • Slovenian
  • Croatian
  • Bosnian
  • Serbian, Montenegrin
  • Bulgarian
  • Macedonian

Albanian :

  • Albanian

Hellenic 

  • Greek

Armenian

  • Armenian

Uralic

Finnic

  • Finnish
  • Karelian
  • Estonian

Hungarian

  • Hungarian

Celtic

  • Scottish
  • Irish
  • Welsh
  • Breton

Baltic

  • Latvian, Latgallian
  • Lithuanian

Turkic

Oghuz

  • Turkish
  • Azerbaijan
  • Turkmen
  • Uyghur

Kipchak

  • Tatar
  • Nogai
  • Kazakh
  • Kyrgyz
  • Karakalpak
  • Bashkir

Iranian

  • Ossetian
  • Kurdish
  • Tadjik
  • Persian
  • Dari
  • Balochian
  • Pashto

Sino-Tibetan

Chinese

  • Han Chinese
  • Hui Chinese
  • Miao-Yao
  • Tai

Tibeto-Burmese

  • Tibetan
  • Bamar
  • Karen
  • Shan
  • Chen

Korean

  • Korean

Japanese

  • Japanese

Indo-Aryan

  • Hindi
  • Marathi
  • Konkani
  • Sinhala
  • Bangali
  • Bilhari
  • Rajasthani
  • Gujarati
  • Bhili
  • Punjabi
  • Sindhi
  • Nepali
  • Pahari

Dravidian

  • Telugu
  • Gondi
  • Kannada
  • Tamil
  • Malayalam
  • Brahui
  • Oriya
  • Asamiya

Autroasiatic

  • Mudari
  • Khmuic
  • Vietic
  • Bahnaric
  • Aslian

Tai

  • Northern Tai
  • Central Tai
  • South-Western Tai (Phu Thai)

Austronesian

  • Formosan
  • Sulu-Philipines
  • Bornean
  • Malagaso-Mentawaian
  • Malayo-Sumbawan
  • Sulavesi-Polinesian
  • Micronesian
  • Fijian-Polinesian

Melanesian

  • Oceano-Lapitan
  • Papuan
  • Aboriginal

Non or semi Natives 

  • African-American
  • Hispanic
  • Latin-American
  • Mestizos
  • Pardos

Native American

North America

  • Apache
  • Sioux
  • Creek
  • Iroquois
  • Eskimo

Latin and South America 

  • Aztec
  • Maya
  • Inca
  • Arawak
  • Caribe
  • Macro-Jê
  • Puelche-Het

Afroasiatic

Semitic

  • Amhara
  • Arabs
  • Tigré
  • Syriac
  • Hebrew
  • Mehri

Berbers

  • Tamazight
  • Tuareg
  • Kabyle
  • Tarift

Chusitic

  • Somali
  • Oromo
  • Afar
  • Beja

Chadic

  • Hausa

Nilo-Saharian

Niger-Congo

  • Wolof, Zula
  • Mande
  • Gur
  • Kwa
  • Adawama-Ubangi
  • Fula
  • Kru
  • Ijoid
  • Kordofanian
  • Dogon
  • Bantu

Khoisan

  • Khoisan

I Would love to see Andalusi Culture added as a result of arabic or Moroccan culture empire assimilating spanish romance territory, imagine how cool it would be if in 1440 you can play as granada and revive andalusi romance and language by certain custom events replacing moorish culture, a dynamic culture hybrid system could be nice

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Each culture/ethnicity would have a default religion :

Albanian Sunni

Bulgaria : Orthodox

And countries with its culture as the majority :

German : Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Liechtenstein

Korean : North Korea, South Korea

Finally, they could be related to resources. 

French : wine

Chinese : tea

 

 

I think I will redo a list of cultures, but more detailed, edit the actual one

Edited by Wayne23lololh

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Ethnic groups, or simply culture would bring these features, which are :

1. Culture integration

A multicultural empire must have a stable population to keep its glory alive, it needs to integrate minorities to reduce their dissatisfaction. One of the reasons for instability is the centralization. So they need to reform their country to moderate or decentralize the government, but countries with only one culture don't need to do this. Here are the reforms 

Decentralization law : The authority and decision-making power are distributed throughout the organization.

Low centralization The authority and decision-making power are largely distributed in the organizational hierarchy.

Medium centralization : The perfect middle between centralization and decentralization.

High centralization A high level of centralization consolidates power in only a few individuals, which means that decision-making can be more efficient.

Centralized : The authority and decision-making power are brought to one central place or under unified control.

 

Here's buffs and debuffs for these organisations :

Law time : time between two laws applied consecutively, I propose to put law time from 6 months to 1 year.

 

Infrastructure construction cost 

Vassal liberty Desire 

Building construction cost 

Unique capital construction cost 

Law time 

Stability 

Research cost 

Province development 

Decentralization 

-10% 

-10% 

+5% 

+10% 

+15% 

+5% 

 

+3% 

Low centralization 

-5% 

-5% 

+2 

+5% 

+10% 

+2% 

 

+2% 

Medium centralization 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

High centralization 

+5% 

+5% 

-2% 

-5% 

-10% 

-2% 

-5% 

 

Centralization 

+10% 

+10% 

-5% 

-10% 

-15% 

-5% 

-10% 

 

Minorities could be discriminated against, they will be paid less and are thus more likely to become radical and generate turmoil. Discrimination will bring nothing good the country, but if a country has this law, it would be very difficult to reform it, because of the population reaction.

 

province Infrastructure construction cost 

Building construction cost 

Law time 

Stability 

Unrest 

Corruption

Province development 

Discriminated ethnic population 

+20% 

+20% 

-10% 

-15% 

+15% 

+5% 

 -30%

The option would be available by clicking the minority population.

ON/OFF

2. Cultures resources :

Each nation will have one or several resources assigned to their culture, and would be more likely to have trade contracts with some of the largest producers, except if it is the country itself :

French : wine, more likely to have trade with Italy and Spain.

English : tea, more likely to have trade with China.

German : beer, sausages, more likely to also have trade with China.

Italy : olive oil, more likely to have trade with Greece.

 

3. Revolt, uprising and wars.

Most frequent outcome of discrimination in history are wars. When unrest and corruption is high and stability is low, the risk of revolt and uprisings. The second possibility is when (for example) Austria-Hungary went to war, and lost it, some minorities could declare independence, if there are several at the same time, either they fight together, or they fight for themselves. 

4. relations 

Countries with a close or even the same culture could have either very good relations (friends) or bad relations (rivals). If they have a friendly relation (+80), they could unite, under the banner of the stronger one. If they have a bad relationship, then they will try to unite their culture by war.

5. Formable nations

Formable nations now have the option to set claimants. So we can set all formable countries' claimants only by putting a culture that would make the task faster. 

Example : German Empire, claimants : German countries

Japanese empire, claimants : Japanese countries

 

Edited by Wayne23lololh

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25 minutes ago, Łukasz Jakowski said:

That's pretty cool, but who will assign this to all the civilizations in the game? (2467 Civilizations, Files)

yeah i guessed that was the reason

 

 

you don't have to assign all the cultures to the civs automatically, maybe cultures could be added in the scenario editor to the civilizations, this would fix your issue AND would appease the fanbase, plus maybe you could do that slowly with each update rollout until all of them are done (this would be very hard)

 

@Łukasz Jakowski thoughts? making the player assign the culture while making the scenario would solve the issue and nobody would complain since that adds way more versatility anyways

Edited by OwnM3Z0

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33 minutes ago, OwnM3Z0 said:

yeah i guessed that was the reason

 

 

you don't have to assign all the cultures to the civs automatically, maybe cultures could be added in the scenario editor to the civilizations, this would fix your issue AND would appease the fanbase, plus maybe you could do that slowly with each update rollout until all of them are done (this would be very hard)

 

@Łukasz Jakowski thoughts? making the player assign the culture while making the scenario would solve the issue and nobody would complain since that adds way more versatility anyways

Yes, Łukasz attemp to make culture mechanic simpler, but your view on it, way more simpler. It's better than assignening a 2467 countrie's cultures by own hands.

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2 minutes ago, Naval said:

Yes, Łukasz attemp to make culture mechanic simpler, but your view on it, way more simpler. It's better than assignening a 2467 countrie's cultures by own hands.

plus maybe he could slowly perma assign cultures to countries slowly using scenarios, an example would be: 

assigning culture to modern civs then locking that as their culture

assigning culture to 1440 civs then locking that as their culture

 

just like religions, not all civs will have assigned culture, and culture can be assigned by the player

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